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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:43 am 
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I always took it to mean that even though he woke up and walked out the door to a sunny day, it implied that that too was just a dream, and that he was really still asleep back in the green velvet chair...
This will be way too much of a spoiler, those who haven't heard "Incredible Adventures" shouldn't read on, but I think you are right...

Jack fell asleep in the chair and dreamed of a land with flying ships. In that realm he entered Mad Mazoola's fortress, and found a room like his own living room, complete with a green velvet chair. He sat in this chair, fell asleep and dreamed. Inside that dream he left his body and entered a whirlwind. As a whirlwind he entered Castle Snout, in search of the sorcerer. He eventually finds the sorcerer, and a beaker that holds Little Frieda. He gets his body back somehow (it just happens), and climbs into the beaker. Inside the beaker is another world, a watery world. Jack rides a raft in this world and finds totems. The totems create yet another world, with Jack inside it. Within that world, Jack, Mojo, and Dr Mazoola battle Mad Mazoola. They win, freeing Little Frieda. Jack and Mad Mazoola then stand on the edge of that world, and the sorcerer rips that reality open, and Jack leaves through the tear, entering the Velvet Realms. Within this new reality, he finds a pearl dome, within which are a number of green chairs, including one green chair that is empty. Jack sits in that chair, sleeps and dreams. In this dream Jack is waking up from the chair in his living room and going outside, glad to be awake, but we know it is still within the dream because we hear Jack is still snoring. That is how it ends, which raises the possibility that everything that happens after that is just Jack's dream (the idea that Jack's world is of his own making, and that there is no clear difference between the different levels of reality is consistent through the stories).

I think that there is also the possibility that these inner realms are not actually contained within the outer realms, but contain the outer realms. That is, the vehicle for moving from one reality to another, can sometimes lead to a deeper reality. Like pausing a video game, or putting down a book, and having your consciousness return to a containing level of reality that has no objective existence within the contained reality. So the Velvet Realms are possibly closer to the core of being rather than being farther removed from it. And when Jack leaves the house he has thus come full circle, back to the dream of waking life.

But another interpretation (which I favor) is that it is all just one dream (just as the whole audio story is just one story), all travel, including travel between realms is just an illusion, created by the one dream of big-M mind. What Jack gains through these travels is insight, and a personal history of entertaining adventures, but in a fundamental sense he does not travel, just as a dreamer doesn't really travel in his dreams. There isn't any "there" to go to, there is only "here".


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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:34 am 
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That is fantastic! The number of times I have listened to that series, and I never really got what order things happened in, or what was really going on. You did a good job laying everything out in order.

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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:04 am 
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So... Jack is Neo!

Not really that unusual a concept, you find it all over the place. One of my own characters has that issue going on with his psyche. He will never again know if he is awake or hallucinating, because so many times he's hallucinated that he's awake. Quite the conundrum, and fascinating to explore. Trying to find a way to prove reality exists is quite the puzzler.

Personally, I think that when the wizard rips through reality, he rips through all the layers and Jack ends up in his real (er... original to when the story began) living room, but the whole point, of course, is that you can never be sure.

Which is always fun! :m2:

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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:31 am 
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Hi, I'm new here. I registered specifically to reply to this topic, because it's something I was thinking about recently.

Okay, here's my personal take on the matter.

Venus Velvet was Jack's female inner self...his anima. She was also the faceless woman we hear speaking with Jack a few times, the captain of the mysterious ship that he ended up on in one of his dreams, who was also the waitress at the Parrot diner (forgot the name). She's the one who has created this whole multi-layered dream world that Jack visits within himself. So of course he sent the chair to himself, since it was a part of him that was doing the sending.

My clues come from some of the things she says (at one point he says "You do something to me," and she says something like "Aren't you doing it to yourself?"--which could mean many things, but I like this interpretation), and the fact that a person's anima is supposed to be very attractive to him, his "ideal woman" (or so he thinks), but frightening and overwhelming at the same time. Similar to the armchair, and also to the faceless woman.

"Venus Velvet" is kind of a ridiculously overfeminine name (while also being descriptive of the chair, as green is one of Venus's colors and it's made of velvet), which befits an anima figure.

There's a lot of interplay between masculine and feminine in this show. It may or may not have been intentional, but I like to see it that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:20 am 
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Hello there! Welcome to the Whirlitzer!

The board is pretty slow, so give people some time to wander by. This thread has been "dead" for awhile now, but someone'll probably either disagree with you and spark a wonderful argument (arguments are good, they get the blood pumping!) or agree with you completely and it'll be a big party of happiness (happiness is good, it gets the blood pumping!).

Could go either way. :dontknow:

Again, welcome aboard! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Venus Velvet
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The anima/animus is an interesting interpretation. Definitely something I hadn't thought of.

It's interesting, because any time the "many Jacks" appear, they are all male. (Except in the past-lives episode, where he was female is some of his past lives...) Because of that, I don't think any anima/animu connection was intended, but I could be wrong.

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